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michael- i thought your comments very interesting- i guess i should identify myself as a referee too- many of the points raised by you and others were among the ones i raised too- i wish at least some of these problems had been ameliorated... david ps could you send me a copy of your review paper on recall- maybe best send it to my home address: David Koulack 323 Kingsway Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA R3M 0G6